Supreme Court

Adrenaline Rush: Talking to the Supreme Court

by Marsha Hunter

The battle of the titans is on at the Supreme Court this week. Star advocates and celebrity justices argue behind closed doors, viewed by a lucky few in person. The politics of the health care hearings is hard to avoid, whether you turn on a TV, a radio, click into a news source, or find a newspaper at your hotel room door. Without video to show us what is happening (and video is long overdue at the Court), we rely on journalists and bloggers, or audio and transcripts. Audio from the courtroom allows us to hear through the politics and think about how the arguments unfold. What can we hear?

On Monday, we heard three advocates, Robert A. Long, Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli, Jr., and Gregory G. Katsas, debate the relevance of the Anti-Injunction Act. The first to speak, Mr. Long, was interrupted in the third paragraph of his initial statement after 90 seconds. That means he had a minute and a half to get his heart rate down and manage his adrenaline flow before Justice Scalia said, “Well, that depends…..”

Last week’s news reported on the amount of  preparation going on in Washington for these arguments. One implied that we were running out of lawyers willing to impersonate Supreme Court justices because so many moots were scheduled. Here are some of Monday’s real questions that those simulations were preparing for. They were just the type of inquiry to keep an advocate’s heart racing:

  • What kinds of cases do you imagine that courts will hear, on what grounds?
  • Are you asking us to overrule the Davis case?
  • Now, doesn’t that sound like an equitable exception to the Anti-Injunction Act?
  • I’m trying to get you to focus on that kind of argument.
  • Are you following me?
  • Isn’t the fairer statement…..
  • Doesn’t that just prove that…..

All three advocates stood their ground, answered succinctly or in detail when appropriate, and kept multiple questions in mind as they answered. They looped back to their own themes, occasionally with a polite apology about repeating themselves. It proved a decent warm-up for General Verrilli, who had two more grueling days ahead of him. Just listening to voices, his was the clearest, with the most air under the sound. His voice is a resonant baritone, with a pleasing quality.

When listening to arguments, pay special attention to the rate of speech of both advocates and justices. The ability to speak in deliberate phrases, without rushing, is the key to thinking and speaking in the moment.

For Monday’s audio, go to:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_audio_detail.aspx?argument=11-398-Monday

News reports after Tuesday’s arguments stated that General Verilli had sounded nervous. I was surprised, as he seemed confident on Monday. But sure enough, his first statement betrays a problem when listening to the audio that is not apparent in the transcript. Here is the transcript, with my observations inserted:

GENERAL VERRILLI: Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court:
The Affordable Care Act addresses a fundamental and enduring problem in our health care system and our economy. Insurance has become the predominant means of paying for health care in this country. COUGHS TWICE, THEN REPEATS THE LAST SENTENCE, SO HE MUST BE READING. Insurance has become the predominant means of paying for health care in this country. For most Americans, for more than 80 percent of Americans, the UH insurance system does provide effective UH access. DRINKS WATER, AND WE CAN HEAR THE ICE CUBES TINKLE IN THE GLASS Excuse me. AS A LISTENER, I AM NOW BECOMING UNCOMFORTABLE, WONDERING WHAT IS WRONG.
But for more than 40 million Americans who do not have access to health insurance either through their employer or through government programs such as Medicare or Medicaid, BIG, AUDIBLE BREATH, the system does not work. Those individuals must resort to the individual market, and that market does not provide affordable health insurance. It does not do so because COUGHS SMALL STUTTER it — because the UH multibillion dollar subsidies that are available for the -UH the UH SOMETHING IN HIS TONE OF VOICE SIGNALS HE IS STRUGGLING, THAT HE IS STILL NOT OK employer market are not available in the individual market. It does not do so because ERISA and HIPAA regulations that preclude — UH that preclude UH discrimination against people based on their medical history do not apply in the individual market. That is an economic problem. And it begets another economic problem.

Here, at 1:44, Scalia asks the first question, in a quiet voice.

What happened to General Verrilli during that first minute and forty-five seconds? I’m guessing that he had “cotton mouth,” that odious condition resulting from adrenaline’s shutting down of the digestive system and robbing the speaker of saliva. It makes people clear their throats, need a drink of water, cough—all at the most important moment, the first-impression beginnings. In most public speaking situations, you can recover, but at the Supreme Court, your questioners may smell blood in the water. They will probably attack before you completely recover.

What do you think? Did General Verrilli recover sufficiently to argue effectively? How would you guard against this hazard?

For Tuesdays’ arguments:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_audio_detail.aspx?argument=11-398-Tuesday

Up Close and Personal with Justice Roberts

Last month I observed arguments at the U. S. Supreme Court. I had occasion to help two clients prepare for arguments there in 2010, so I was eager to see the action first hand. The day I attended, there were two different cases in which five lawyers appeared; one of them acting United States Solicitor General Neal Katyal. Three other advocates had appeared in front of the court before, and one was making her first argument.

The level of advocacy was high that day. At its best, lawyers were engaged in what sounded like urgent but friendly—and spirited—conversation. Occasionally each advocate stopped to think, consider, and regroup, but only for a few seconds—no more. The clarity, facts on the tips of tongues, and general command of English was quite respectable.

I don’t mean to damn with faint praise. The stakes are high in one of the most famous courtrooms anywhere. Just the distraction of talking to nine people who are, for all intents and purposes, celebrities, is significant. The level of security, the crush of spectators, the famous and near-famous in the gallery, all make the room feel crowded with urgency and importance. The size of the courtroom contributes to that feeling—it is smaller than you’d imagine. It seems that Chief Justice Roberts could easily lean forward to shake hands with the lawyer at the lectern. He can see the perspiring brow, the trembling fingers, and read any discomfort as an advocate fumbles with papers or hesitates (too long?) over an answer.

So can the rest of the justices, of course, but Roberts is a former Supreme Court advocate, increasing the pressure on the lawyer a few feet away. He knows if preparation has been adequate. There is no faking it in front of the finely-sharpened linguistic knives of the Supreme Court, where Roberts, flanked by Justice Kagan, the Solicitor General until her appointment to the Court last year, sit as stern reminders that the level of argument should be outstanding. One verbal gaffe, one moment of hesitation, one concession instantly regretted, and it could feel as if our entire justice system was slightly besmirched by one’s performance.

As I watched and listened, I was as interested in how assiduously each attorney had prepared as I was in the moment at hand. Experience counts, of course, but what practice lies behind that?

I heard an intriguing rumor last autumn when I taught an appellate advocacy training program: when Roberts was at Hogan & Hartson, the policy was to have 30 moots prior to an appearance before the Court. (Can anyone from a Supreme Court practice confirm a number this high?) Vanity Fair’s March, 2007 article about Hamden v. Rumsfeld states that Neal Katyal mooted that case 15 times. Fifteen sounds about right to me for a new advocate. By the fifteenth, you would be settling into a comfortable routine. Thirty is a luxury. That would be Major League, world-class preparation.

In a series examining the Roberts court last year, the New York Times explored a ”new breed” of lawyer  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/10/us/10lawyers.html?ref=johngjrroberts that specializes in the high-stakes arguments required at the court. How does this new breed routinely prepare? How can preparation be the most productive? What kind of practice under pressure will lead to the best arguments?

For more about the current Solicitor General:  http://www.whorunsgov.com/Profiles/Neal_Katyal

Law Peep Art

The ABA has asked for Law Peep Art this month. Here is my entry, depicting a future ideal all-female court. Hope springs eternal!

SCOTUS All-Female Court by Marsha Hunter

SCOTUS All-Female Court by Marsha Hunter